Let's do some cane arrows
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This area strictly for arrows. Building, flight or broadhead flight.
This area strictly for arrows. Building, flight or broadhead flight.
Re: Let's do some cane arrows
I started a new job today so won't be spending near as much time on the computer, but hey, that's a good thing. I'll try to post a little more each evening.
As stated earlier I'm not going to delve into the entire process of straightening bamboo. There are a lot of good tutorials on youtube and some of the primative archery sites that delve into the subject much more precisely that what I may be able to show you.
If you have any questions please feel free to post or send me a PM and I'll do the best to answer.
I use a heat gun although any good heat source will work. Also I use a pair of gloves to keep from burning my fingers on the hot bamboo and a sanding block to bend the nodes and internodes. Same sanding block is used for knocking off the heaviest part of the node after getting them semi straight. My final straightening comes after the entire shaft is sanded and just before I'm ready to install the dowels into the shaft for nock and tip reinforcement.
First thing I do is study the internodes of the shaft deciding on how much work they will take to straighten. As I straighten each one individually I lay it against the workbench and work it until it is fairly lined up with the edge of the table bench. I proceed through each one until all internodes are straight and then proceed to straighten each section at the node itself.
Once I see that the shaft is close to straight I then sand the heaviest portion of the node to e somewhat level with the rest of the shaft using 80 grit sandpaper.
I then, wearing gloves, sand the remainder of the shaft removing the skin until I can actually see the grain of the bamboo. Will try to get a closeup pick of the finish sanded shaft up tomorrow night and then proceed to inserting the dowels.
As stated earlier I'm not going to delve into the entire process of straightening bamboo. There are a lot of good tutorials on youtube and some of the primative archery sites that delve into the subject much more precisely that what I may be able to show you.
If you have any questions please feel free to post or send me a PM and I'll do the best to answer.
I use a heat gun although any good heat source will work. Also I use a pair of gloves to keep from burning my fingers on the hot bamboo and a sanding block to bend the nodes and internodes. Same sanding block is used for knocking off the heaviest part of the node after getting them semi straight. My final straightening comes after the entire shaft is sanded and just before I'm ready to install the dowels into the shaft for nock and tip reinforcement.
First thing I do is study the internodes of the shaft deciding on how much work they will take to straighten. As I straighten each one individually I lay it against the workbench and work it until it is fairly lined up with the edge of the table bench. I proceed through each one until all internodes are straight and then proceed to straighten each section at the node itself.
Once I see that the shaft is close to straight I then sand the heaviest portion of the node to e somewhat level with the rest of the shaft using 80 grit sandpaper.
I then, wearing gloves, sand the remainder of the shaft removing the skin until I can actually see the grain of the bamboo. Will try to get a closeup pick of the finish sanded shaft up tomorrow night and then proceed to inserting the dowels.
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I would like to make an apology to all of you that have taken the time and effort to follow this thread.
I'm cancelling my commitment due to unforseen circumstance.
Fredrick E Arnold
I'm cancelling my commitment due to unforseen circumstance.
Fredrick E Arnold
Re: Let's do some cane arrows
hope all is well fred...you're thread will be here when you get time to continue.
IT'S NEVER WRONG TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND IT'S NEVER RIGHT TO DO WHAT'S WRONG....LOU HOLTZ
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I would like to apologize to all of you for leaving the proceedings unattended.
Time to readjust my schedule and my attitude!!!!!
It's been a long week and I'm not going to post any new pics tonight.
I'm going to sit back, relax a bit, answer a few questions, and proceed in the morning with a dozen I've been working on for a custom order that should have already been completed.
At first glance the idea of bamboo arrows from raw shafts can be quite intimidateing but in reality they are a natural grown tool that our ancestors found, utilized, and mastered long ago.
If my grandpa was sitting here next to me now he'd probably be amazed, shocked, and disgustedwith my computer, and laugh at my heat gun.
Well, you know what they used to say, "We used to cook in the house and ____ outdoors, and now we cook outdoors and ____ in the house".
I imagine that that was an adaption from what thier own grandparents told them, because if I recollect correctly, they used to do it all outdoors!!!
So, with the help of a few power tools, a cover from the elements, and hand tools made by others, we're going to try to resort to the old proven methods, but I wished I were only talented enough to to do this on my own.
For the evening, Good Night.
Hope to see you all tomorrow morning.
Fred
Time to readjust my schedule and my attitude!!!!!
It's been a long week and I'm not going to post any new pics tonight.
I'm going to sit back, relax a bit, answer a few questions, and proceed in the morning with a dozen I've been working on for a custom order that should have already been completed.
At first glance the idea of bamboo arrows from raw shafts can be quite intimidateing but in reality they are a natural grown tool that our ancestors found, utilized, and mastered long ago.
If my grandpa was sitting here next to me now he'd probably be amazed, shocked, and disgustedwith my computer, and laugh at my heat gun.
Well, you know what they used to say, "We used to cook in the house and ____ outdoors, and now we cook outdoors and ____ in the house".
I imagine that that was an adaption from what thier own grandparents told them, because if I recollect correctly, they used to do it all outdoors!!!
So, with the help of a few power tools, a cover from the elements, and hand tools made by others, we're going to try to resort to the old proven methods, but I wished I were only talented enough to to do this on my own.
For the evening, Good Night.
Hope to see you all tomorrow morning.
Fred
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Thank you Fred I'll be watching this closely
I'm curious Fred how close can you get the spine matched with say building a dozen arrows? Working with a natural material like this it seems it would be very difficult?
I'm curious Fred how close can you get the spine matched with say building a dozen arrows? Working with a natural material like this it seems it would be very difficult?
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''Life's tough, pilgrim,and it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' JohnWayne
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Ryan,
Matching the spine is actually the easier part if you have enough shafts to choose from. I generally try to order 50 to 100 shafts at a time.
Most suppliers sell bamboo shafts matched in spine. The hardest is matching them in grain weight and diameter.
When ordering raw shafts I generally clean them up and straighten them, then proceed by weighing and marking them by grains. I then spine them out on my Spine-O-Meter and bundle them in lots of 1/2 dz as close to weight as possible.
I can get pretty close to weight matching by inserting nails up front.
Diameter varies by shaft also and I find sometimes with a dozen arrows I may have to use 5/16, 11/32, and 23/64 points to achive the proper fit.
Matching the spine is actually the easier part if you have enough shafts to choose from. I generally try to order 50 to 100 shafts at a time.
Most suppliers sell bamboo shafts matched in spine. The hardest is matching them in grain weight and diameter.
When ordering raw shafts I generally clean them up and straighten them, then proceed by weighing and marking them by grains. I then spine them out on my Spine-O-Meter and bundle them in lots of 1/2 dz as close to weight as possible.
I can get pretty close to weight matching by inserting nails up front.
Diameter varies by shaft also and I find sometimes with a dozen arrows I may have to use 5/16, 11/32, and 23/64 points to achive the proper fit.
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Bowferd Thank you for the great idea for the jewelers files. Since then my nocks are much easier and better. Tim
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Tim,
Glad to hear you found the files.
I'm busy with a new job and haven't been very active lately.
Thought I would finish the build-a-long when working on the give-away.
Hope the winner isn't in a rush because with the new job keeping me away from home, this may take a month or more.
Only thing I can promise on the bamboo arrow give-away is someone will get them before the winter season opens.
I'll give Larry a shout and tell him to put the names in a hat.
Time to get back on track and get this thing going again.
Fred
Glad to hear you found the files.
I'm busy with a new job and haven't been very active lately.
Thought I would finish the build-a-long when working on the give-away.
Hope the winner isn't in a rush because with the new job keeping me away from home, this may take a month or more.
Only thing I can promise on the bamboo arrow give-away is someone will get them before the winter season opens.
I'll give Larry a shout and tell him to put the names in a hat.
Time to get back on track and get this thing going again.
Fred
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Re: Let's do some cane arrows
''Life's tough, pilgrim,and it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' JohnWayne