My sharpening method explained

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Venator
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My sharpening method explained

#1 Post by Venator »

Thought I would throw together a sharpening thread. This mainly applies to sharpening a two bladed broadhead with flat stones. Their are many different ways to sharpen an edge be it files, stones, wheels, etc. This is what I mainly use, and after a lot of practice and hair pulling have had great results with it. I use this same method for my knives and three bladed heads.

Step 1 Bevel Set
Establishing a proper bevel set early in the sharpening process is an absolute condition for success. Failure to get the bevel set is probably one of the most common honing mistakes, and although it is not very difficult, many struggle with this aspect of the process, especially with a two bladed head or knife. The nice thing about a three blade is that the bevel is already fixed. The main reason for this, is because a cutting bevel can take different incarnations. Sharpness is limited to how cleanly both sides of a blade can meet each other and the angle at which they join. In theory, it does not matter if those sides are flat, convex, concave, or even irregular, as long as the apex is one clean line, as thin as possible. Flat bevels in a fixed angle are mandatory for successful sharpening on hones, this is why I would recommend the use of some type of guide, be it a KME, Lansky or whatever. As long as it is able to maintain a consistent angle throughout the sharpening process. A magic marker can also be used as an aid during this process. This will help you visually see if you are working the complete bevel surface during this step.

Step 2 Determing if the bevel set is sharp.
One of the major challenges in establishing a good bevel, is to know when the goal is reached. Bevel formation is finished as soon as the entire length of the passes "thumbnail test" or the shave arm hair test.

Establishing a good bevel might require the removal of a decent amount of steel. Luckily, this is something that typically needs to be done only the first time the bevel is set. A coarser hone will remove steel more rapidly than a finer hone. Ideally, the bevel should be completely formed by the time we tranverse past the 2k mark. Fail at this level and the subsequent hones will be a nice polish on the faces of your incomplete bevel, but will do nothing for the actual edge of that bevel, simply because it does not really exist yet. Thus, all you will end up with is a polished edge that is not sharp. Stay at the coarser stones until the bevel is truly set. The stategy that I use is the following: I start on a 600 grit stone, and them move up to 1000 or 1200 grit. I stay at the 1K stage until all of the 600 grit scratches are removed and the edge shaves arm hair with great ease and passes the thumbnail test along its entire length. I then finalize my work with a number of ultra light strokes on the 1k hone, I do not do the thumbnail after I have finished this, I do not want to dull the edge.

Once I have set the bevel and have achieved a sharp edge I can then progress to the polishing stages. You can really polish to any level that you would like to at this point. The one thing to keep in mind is that you are only working on polishing the edge at this point and are not working on getting the edge any sharper. Because of this care must be taken to use light soft strokes to avoid from dulling or rolling over the sharp edge that has already been created. If you feel like you are losing your sharp edge at this point you are probably pressing the edge of the blade to hard into the stone. I use a light to see if I have removed the scratch lines from the edge as I am progessing on the higher grit stones. If I am looking for a truly mirrored edge I will progress up to a 8k stone.

I use DMT diamond hones for my 600 and 800 grit stones. My 1k, 4k and 8, stones are norton water stones. All of these can usually be picked up at most wood working shops. Really exotic stones such as Nagura, Nakayama, and Thuringians can be a lot of fun but really take a lot of practice and experience. Stick with simple stones or even pieces of sand paper on a really flat surface and you can achieve great results.

Hopefully this will help out a few people, any comments are always welcome :D

AWPForester
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#2 Post by AWPForester »

Thanks bro

Bowferd
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#3 Post by Bowferd »

Thanks Venator- I use the KME knife sharpening system but use a double cut flat bastard for initial stock removal. When sharpening some of the older double bevel grizzlies and Tuskers, the file will remove the steel faster and more efficiently so my stones don't have to work as hard.

Venator
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#4 Post by Venator »

Bowferd, that's a great tip, thanks.

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#5 Post by Bowferd »

Venator- I recieved the tip after calling KME. We had a very nice talk and they were very helpful.
Being a meat cutter from the old school I was somewhat familiar with proper sharpening methods.
Before calling KME, my first grizzly took over 3 hours to satisfy my demands, and I surely didn't want to spend that much time on all of my broadheads.
I was seriously thinking of ordering Silver Flames, which may still not be a bad idea for anyone sharpening challenged.
I actually fit the blade into the KME system, marked the desired bevel with a majic marker,
took a few swipes with the coarsest stone on each beveled side, removed them from the system, and then proceeded to follow the outline on the file.
It cut my time in half.
Thank you for the post. We can never get our broadheads too sharp.

2Bucks
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Re: My sharpening method explained

#6 Post by 2Bucks »

Question.
could you use a butchers smooth steel on final edge.

Venator
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#7 Post by Venator »

2Bucks, I use the smooth steel on my jewel stick for the second to last progression. I get a sharp fairly polished edge on the smooth steel, but I am able to get the edge a little sharper and a little smoother by using a ceramic rod for my last step. I go extremely light on my strokes on the ceramic rod. The nice thing about a jewel stick and ceramic rod are that I can keep them in my pack, stones are not very practical to pack around.

2Bucks
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#8 Post by 2Bucks »

Could it be because of the softer steel alloy in the broad heads, that the ceramic rod works a little better than the smooth steel rod?

Venator
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Re: My sharpening method explained

#9 Post by Venator »

2Bucks wrote:Could it be because of the softer steel alloy in the broad heads, that the ceramic rod works a little better than the smooth steel rod?
That's a good question, I am not sure. I do think that the ceramic is a little smoother than the steel rod.

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#10 Post by 2Bucks »

I am an industrial mechanic. When I use to work at a slaughter house (Amour Foods) the butchers had their own personal steel and each one would sand their steel with different grades of sand paper. They would bring me their steels and I would magnetize them with the shop welder. Their steels would also be different some fat some skinny. I guess because of different tasks and steel alloys in the knife blades.
thought I would just share that with you and y'all.
:mrgreen:

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