Grizzly Stik longbow?

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onesharpbroadhead
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Grizzly Stik longbow?

#1 Post by onesharpbroadhead »

Anyone see the ad for this bow - they claim that it is shooting over 250 fps - I wonder if that is with a Grizzly Stik arrow, Ashby Head and EFOC? Ok - they are claiming it as IBO speeds which is 5 grains per pound of draw @ a 30" draw

I suspect that since my bow is shooting 214 fps with a 7.4 grain per pound arrow at 29.75" draw - that my bow may shoot that fast too with a 5 gpp arrow.

Seems odd that a company that does everything it can to promote Ashby's theories about super heavy arrows would now be advertising a bow that they are putting their name on (it is a Korean Bow made by W&W) based on what even I would consider a light weight arrow.

This longbow has a built in plunger - wonder what that will do to the longbow classes - ;)

The bow is called the Qarbon Nano here is their slogan of sorts:

"The Qarbon Nano is an engineering marvel, a true work of art. Graceful limbs belie the momentum generating predatory beast within...They're quick to point, blazing fast, and deliver downrange."

hmm

If any of you guys take this for a free test drive - let me know what you think and what your chrono says.


http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/Webpage ... bpageId=56

Coaster500
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Re: Grizzly Stik longbow?

#2 Post by Coaster500 »

I might have to try there test for its and wiggles :) They did test 539 grain. closer to AMO and what I might use as a hunting arrow... my test will have to wait a while to much on the plate right now but I would like to check it out,,,

Speed Testing the GrizzlyStik Qarbon Nano all Carbon Longbow
IBO bow speeds are what everyone seems to compare these days. To calculate a bow's IBO speed you shoot a 350 grain arrow, from a 70# bow drawn 30”. This system is really set up for compounds and many recurve and longbows have historically been 70# bows @ 28" but drawn to 30". They just don't tell you that they're doing that. They're actually shooting a bow that's up to 8# heavier.

We don’t have any limbs that hit 70# @ 30” yet but we shot one of our Qarbon Nano carbon bows in 66", with a set of 54# bow at 28” and 59# at 30”.

So, at approximately 10# of bow weight under the required 70#, we're shooting at 237fps IBO speed. Not bad for a longbow!

For AMO speeds you shoot a 540 grain arrow from a bow that pulls 60# @ 30". Again, ours weighed 54# @ 28" and 59# @ 30". (This is weighed on a digital scale. As soon as I can get up to Jim Belcher's Sky Archery shop, I'll weigh these limbs on his USDA certified bow scale.)

The GrizzlyStik Qarbon Nano has an AMO speed right at 200 fps.

For this testing we used a Hooter Shooter set up with a mechanical release. The reason you see a varied number of shots taken is because once I got four in a row of the exact same speeds from the first arrow, we wanted four in a row of exactly the same result s for the others as well.

To us this proves that not only is the bow blazing fast, but it’s phenomenally consistent. (Even the variance was only one fps.)

Also very important to us is that since we didn’t doctor any of this, our customers should be able to get very similar speeds from the bows they buy from us. If they have a hooter shooter they should be able to match our speeds. Try that with most compounds on the market...

We know that speed is a yardstick that people use to compare bows, and that's OK. We designed a bow that casts heavy arrows hard, but we wanted more than that from this bow. The Qarbon Nano does it all amazingly well. It's light in the hand (around 2#) but the shock absorbs ion qualities of the carbon riser combined with the unique limb design virtually eliminates hand shock.

Win & Win makes their own foam for the limb cores, they make their own carbon too. That gives the Qarbon Nano a limb composition that no other longbow in the world has. The limbs are not only fast, they're consistent. They shoot the same shot after shot no matter where you are in the world. That's important to bowhunters who take their hunting seriously.

Tip to tip, this bow has been engineered for perfection. Experience longbow perfection today, stop in to your local archery shop and ask to test drive a GrizzlyStik Qarbon Nano.

Check out our GrizzlyStik Qarbon Nano speed testing data below:


Bow Weight Arrow Weight Speed
54# @28" 352 grains 217 fps
54# @28" 352 grains 217 fps
54# @28" 352 grains 217 fps
54# @28" 352 grains 217 fps

59# @ 30" 352 grains 237 fps
59# @ 30" 352 grains 236 fps
59# @ 30" 352 grains 237 fps
59# @ 30" 352 grains 237 fps
59# @ 30" 352 grains 237 fps
59# @ 30" 352 grains 237 fps

54# @28" 539 grains 183 fps
54# @28" 539 grains 184 fps
54# @28" 539 grains 184 fps
54# @28" 539 grains 184 fps
54# @28" 539 grains 184 fps

59# @ 30" 539 grains 199 fps
59# @ 30" 539 grains 200 fps
59# @ 30" 539 grains 200 fps
59# @ 30" 539 grains 199 fps
59# @ 30" 539 grains 200 fps
59# @ 30" 539 grains 200 fps
59# @ 30" 539 grains 200 fps
59# @ 30" 539 grains 200 fps

Here's a shot of the GrizzlyStik Qarbon Nano longbow unstrung. This bow was specifically designed to cast our heavy tapered GrizzlyStiks hard. It's all about momentum for us and when you shoot our GrizzlyStik arrows and Broadheads from this bow, you've got yourself one heavy hitting system!
''Life's tough, pilgrim,and it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' JohnWayne

onesharpbroadhead
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Re: Grizzly Stik longbow?

#3 Post by onesharpbroadhead »

an IBO speed rating does not have to be done with a bow that is 70lbs - it can be less - it simply says up to 70lbs. The arrow must not weigh less than 5 grains per pound of draw.

A 70lb bow shooting a 350 grain arrow should shoot that arrow the same speed as a 50lb bow shooting a 250 grain arrow - so bow weight should not be a factor.

I shoot 348 grain arrows out of my 47lb TradTech and get 214 fps shooting with fingers off the shelf. I can pretty much guarantee you that If I shot a 235 grain arrow out of this bow with a machine - I would be in or above that 253 fps range that they are bragging up as if it is something special.

I have played with a hooter shooter myself and found that all bows - from the cheapest PSE to my Black Widow - to my Tradtech - shoot the same arrows at the same draw the same speed shot after shot and put the arrows in the same place as well - so I find nothing spectacular about this consistency.

This bow may have a great feel to it - I like the feel of foam limbs - but that is subjective.

I suspect that this bow is not much different from any well designed modern longbow - other than the built in plunger.

I find it really odd though that a company that has done everything in its power to promote the Ashby theory, heavy arrows, the Ashby Tonto extremely heavy Broadhead, EFOC, etc... - is now out there advertising a bow speed with an arrow that by anyone's definition, including mine - would be considered extremely light.

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Re: Grizzly Stik longbow?

#4 Post by Coaster500 »

I would like to see Chronograph info with side by side comparisons with other bows driving heavy arrows that would be of value. If I was to test the bow over a chrono I would step into the heavy weight realm for fun (I don't shoot super heavy 10gpp or so) but would do it using my own form and my split finger release off the shelf not a machine. I have some decent bows for comparison if I can get a NANO in the 50# range.... If it happens I will post and we will see :)

Right now getting ready for a hunt on Kauai with my Son-Inlaw... when I get back I'll see if I can get a Nano in the 50# range and play a bit :)
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Re: Grizzly Stik longbow?

#5 Post by onesharpbroadhead »

let us know what you think if you get one

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Re: Grizzly Stik longbow?

#6 Post by bjorn »

We are fortunate to have so many talented, hardworking local bowyers who hunt and deserve our cash and make great hunting weapons, I know who is going to get my hard earned money.

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#7 Post by Bowmania »

Is this the bow Adcock designed and had his name on it until his reputation hit the fan? I got bit by him the first time.

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#8 Post by onesharpbroadhead »

What is the deal with Adcock - I thought those were supposed to be top of the line bows - never saw or shot one - but boy the interent experts sure brag those bows up?

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#9 Post by bjorn »

Their first intro of this bow was designed by Adcock to be built by some Asian bow company-whether or not the bow was ever built I have no idea, but there was a 'review' of the bow on the Alaska website by one person that was there for maybe 18 months. Two years later Jim Belcher gets the design job and this is the new bow built by some big target bow company in the Orient. Belcher is the real deal and was a bowyer for Bear in the 70's-I'm pretty sure My old brain cells got that right.
I don't think Adcock has built a bow in the last five years or more-not since John Havard bought the patent and formed A&H Archery; which he has since left too. A&H makes great bows; my son and I have been shooting them pretty much exclusively for the past 5 years.

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Re: Grizzly Stik longbow?

#10 Post by onesharpbroadhead »

thanks bjorn

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